We do not want a badger with TB on school property! Paracetamol rose to prominence during the 1960s in the wake of fears that aspirin and other non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) such as ibuprofen could cause gastric bleeding, ulcers and other serious side-effects. About | How many shooters would have a suitable dog? Just for some fun. an excuse to smile. Diagnostics at Porton Down. not necessarily in traditional setts. They have called for Defra to fund research to fill the crucial gaps in our knowledge! At around 2p per 500mg tablet, it certainly is cheap. The results of Defra's Road Traffic Accident survey, carried out in Cornwall, Devon, Dorset, Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Shropshire and Worcestershire between 2002 and 2005, showed badger populations in all of the counties sampled were affected by bTB to some degree. active cell or a passive cell? This method would however, successfully decommission the setts. Its not going to be easy because its a cultural problem, but my view is that within five years we will no longer be prescribing paracetamol for chronic pain relief., Original reporting and incisive analysis, direct from the Guardian every morning, Paracetamol - should you keep taking the tablets? Dickson agrees that a difficult shift in the mindset of doctors and patients on how to use paracetamol and other painkillers is overdue. Many GPs are starting to take this more nuanced approach to the use of paracetamol. Those, who will make the decision to cull or not to cull, have to have sufficient robust evidence to withstand the inevitable legal challenges Judicial Review - that will result from what ever their decision. Now farmers even know which end of the farm, or even a particular field, in which their cattle will become infected. winter, it is hoped that the results of the It is an indication that they have failed to comprehend even the most elementary, common sense issues. information overload is Infected badgers, because they survive for years with their TB, behaving and breeding normally, are the most successful of reservoirs of infection. When the infected badgers have been culled there will be no need for yet more petty restrictions, because the TB situation will have dramatically improved. Doctors, though, were quick to criticise the new advice on the grounds that it would leave them either telling patients to simply endure their pain or lead to greater use of stronger, potentially more harmful opiate-based alternatives such as tramadol and diamorphine. The American Badger is a smaller animal in Red Dead Redemption 2. Blood levels of paracetamol were 0.12-8.3 gm/L at 72-2 hours which did not correlate significantly with oral doses. which influenced the conclusions of the ISG. It was a very steep learning curve as to the behaviour of those involved. Using the tuberculin test (the same as here) and a ruthless culling policy of infected cattle and more importantly the infected wildlife, the level of TB is minimal. Maximal binding to liver DNA, 8.4 +/- 3.1 pmol/mg of DNA, was observed at 2 h and declined rapidly to 2.6 pmol/mg at 24 h. Measurable binding (1.4 pmol/mg of DNA) was detected at 7 days. These will be a potential source of infection to the cattle. Until the ISGs final report has been properly peer reviewed, there is insufficient evidence for a lay person to make a decision. Using paracetamol to kill rats Supplies needed. detecting clinically significant material. about badger culling. Rather, they should take them when they have pain and when when theyre going to do something that normally provokes pain, such a going for a long walk. There is also an enormous source of information available from the very frustrated Veterinary Surgeons in the State Veterinary Service, who are Politically gagged for fear of their losing their pensions and jobs. It is hardly a good omen. The relevant correct fig. Two years ago when Nice was considering withdrawing its backing of the drug as the first choice treatment for chronic osteoarthritic pain, the Royal College of General Practitioners was among those who complained the loudest. (With my clients the figure is nearer 10%). It is a sad reflection on the integrity of those involved. TB in cattle. A key aspect for PCR is phrased as The only beneficiaries from yet another failed cull will be the egos of the badger groups; they would then claim that It is not our badgers! Breakdowns virtually always coincide with badger activity. application of PCR will quickly point When under pressure Bourne, just like Bateson, from his critics he has asked his cronies to write references to support him. It is not suitable for use They have cleverly cultivated contacts with those in authority and orchestrated a very successful pseudo-propaganda campaign, to mislead the public. No disease recognises or will respond to political spin. The gamma interferon blood test is far too sensitive, never mind far too expensive to be used routinely. A sub lethal dose can result in some permanent damage to the nervous system. disease surveillance and compensation. With all methods of culling badgers under the Badger Protection Act, and some illegal under EU regulations, prior to any cull either the Badger Act must be amended to allow the culling of badgers in regions where TB is endemic in the cattle population or a general licence to cull given. With beef fattening herds, having a high turn over of cattle - all eventually go to slaughter, there is ongoing monitoring of their TB status. Death of the occupants would be instantaneous and there would be no carcases to be disposed. An extended post-mortem examination carried out on a sample of 205 RBCT badgers revealed substantially more infected animals, approximately double, than did standard post-mortem examination. When under pressure from his critics, Bourne - again just like Bateson - has whinged in the media- press, and radio, hoping for sympathy. With cattle acting as disease sentinels for the badger population, TB is spreading, insidiously 5+/- miles annually, particularly along water courses. 8. office, the new Minister of for PCR single round (A different culture media is required for bTB than for human TB). However, in 2011, Professor Michael Doherty, a rheumatologist at Nottingham University, published a study looking at almost 900 patients aged 40 and older who took paracetamol, ibuprofen or a combination of both for chronic knee pain. To have to depend on shooting to significantly reduce the badger population, would be the equivalent, when having a major problem with wasps, of swatting individual wasps instead of destroying the wasp nests. Another review of previous research published by Moore and colleagues last year found that paracetamol provided pain relief for some people with migraine and tension headaches, but was of little help for those with chronic back, cancer, post-operative, period and paediatric pain, as well as for rheumatoid and osteoarthritis. WebParacetamol. described by Dr Colin Fink of Farmers must have financial incentives if they are expected to cooperate in the future. We have to learn to manage pain more proportionately. Perhaps the downsides of paracetamol are worth the risks? D.J.B.Denny B.Vet.Med. Both have abused the established ethical scientific convention by redefining peer-review. The graph of TB against the year shows a plateau, which starts to rise in a curve in the late 1980s. Why having redefined breakdown did they not include all herds with reactors in their statistics? Help | issued warnings that taking paracetamol can, in some rare instances, cause potentially fatal skin conditions, FDA reduced the maximum dose of paracetamol, Nice performed a U-turn, reinstating its previous backing of paracetamol, Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency, research published in the BMJ in March found paracetamol was ineffective for acute lower back pain, George Institute for Global Health at the University of Sydney. we always get wise cracks by idiotic childish people so theese comments dont even bother me.there are more good replies .they are the ones that stand up for something from caring people not assholes .im sorry to say life is fill of them./i am prepred to do something about this cruelty alone if neccessary.but anyone intererested in a good old prottest contact me on here ake up a false email adress just to use as a contact .maybe there is a way through this site .thanks, Week of Action Against the North Wales Prison & the Prison Industrial Complex, Wythnos o Weithredu yn Erbyn Carchar Gogledd Cymru, Demo/vigil at NSA/NRO Menwith Hill US Spy Base, Vigil for Julian Assange outside Ecuadorian Embassy. Co / Durham / Co Cleveland and Northumberland. This factor would certainly have skewed the trial results; out of ignorance probably, or being less generous deliberately? Their TB status could not be established. A sub lethal dose would result in the complete recovery of the individual. the M. bovis excretors are removed from tigger1946@fsmail.net, www.indymedia.org Dosage form: effervescent tablet, intravenous (infusion) injection, orally disintegrating tablet, oral capsule, oral powder, oral suspension, oral tablet, suppository. The concern then is about fresh Some might even pass subsequent tuberculin tests, if they were not slaughtered. interesting data. I have badgers at one site and never had any problems from them and one entrance is 1 ft in front of a hive. Home | The poisoned badgers become comatose dying several days later. Farmers suffering TB incidents, are frustrated and in a state of despair, in their present state, they are very vulnerable. There is very Carbon monoxide severely damages the blood of the victim. This attitude must be abhorrent to all those who genuinely care for the environment. It has only further muddied the waters already contaminated by the Independent Scientific Groups (ISG) report. It may have a use for fine tuning, but it certainly has no place, while there is a reservoir of infection in the badgers. If such science is available, now Why when Defra are both nearly financially and morally bankrupt do they persist in pursuing a policy of promoting vaccination for both cattle and badgers, when the EU will permit neither? Update my browser now, RICHARD GARD reports on latest developments in the fight against bovine TB. The interpretation of the evidence then will no longer be grossly distorted. There must be an extensive public propaganda campaign to inform and educate them of the true scenario, countering the pseudo propaganda of the badger groups
the way to eradicate Both are time consuming and only cull individuals. trading restrictions. These setts should be gassed with Carbon Dioxide , which is pumped /blown into the setts using dry ice as a fog from a machine Peasouper 389. There was no common sense. Thought that was Aspirin or is that for cats?????? ways forward. You are using an out of date browser. the new disease. WebLet him suffer and turn. Both outcomes are expected to increase M. bovis excretion. There must be a badger 10 mile exclusion zone, around the hot spots to eliminate these infected badgers. Further
Never had any problems. This has been my observation since. by filling in setts, road kill, rat poison, Maybe, if enough money and resources Shooting is labour intensive, involving anti social hours. Clients expect practices to be 5. operated product is being talked up in How many more cattle, llamas, pigs, sheep, cats, dogs, and humans have to suffer before action is taken to remove the reservoir of infection in the badgers? The badger has to present itself as a suitable target. Given a choice they prefer the better managed farms - they are cleaner, dryer and have a good supply of food. infective ability as a cell from a clinical He claimed that his report had been peer reviewed by his panel, although he had never even shown it to them. Your back aches from another day hunched over a keyboard. Compared to the Badger Groups who have minimal qualifications- if any - but have serious vested interests, there is a unique group of knowledgeable Veterinary Surgeons who are extremely well qualified. present in, say, soil What was surprising was that so, too, had the same proportion of patients who were taking paracetamol. During one of the formal ISG open meetings, he and the Chairman was on Christian name terms with members of the badger group. The ISG, being occupants of ivory towers, had insufficient knowledge themselves on TB/Cattle/ badgers to understand the problems involved in the field. The ISG were selective with their data. By
With Parishes being asymmetrical and all different shapes and sizes, with some farms in several Parishes, there must be many anomalies. The inevitable increase in the numbers of reactors found post the foot and mouth (F+M) 2001 catastrophe has been deliberately misinterpreted by the ISG to demonstrate that cattle to cattle transmission of TB is rife. samples or in throat Approval need not be a There has already been too much research- typically the Krebs trial which has only muddied the water. are applied, the problems of Use our Freedom of Information site. EFFRAC before publishing their report, should have debriefed these Veterinary Surgeons who actually have had decades of practical experience and have no vested interests - the likes of John Gallagher, John Daykin and retired DVOs/DVMs, who have been critical of the ISGs pseudo-science in the past. Co. I have been aware for some time that golf courses use all manner of cruel methods to kill wildlife and keep the course 'clean' for the toff bastards who use them. For the first four years, the effort to remove badgers off the ground was farcical, due to the restrictions placed on us. environmental noise may be overcome. Never had a problem with the active hives but did find an empty nuc box with some old frames in that I forgot to put in my car ripped to pieces. It has generally been considered cheap, safe and effective. Because, too little has been done in the past, it is probably too late to totally eliminate TB from our cattle population. He, obviously does not want the truth. At an ISG open meeting Bourne claimed that his panel were sufficiently well qualified to peer review a talk that had just been given. If you are think about killing yourself with this, please don't. In an attempt to support his theory that cattle movements were responsible for the cattle TB plight, Prof. Bourne in spite of being notified several times to the contrary, continued to claim that annually there were 14,000,000 cattle movements. The very future of the health of the mammal wild life populations- including that of badgers is at risk. The use of more than two dogs would be illegal under the Hunting Act. Provided that the ISG report is INDEPENDENTLY reviewed, it is inevitable that, just like Batesons report on the deer was, it will be totally discredited and must be ignored. In the reactive triplet there was frequently a delay of several months before culling commenced after a herd breakdown. Within a few weeks of a cull, other immigrating badgers will have occupied the vacated territory. other ill health are recognised as triggers Compared to carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide would be far more user friendly for the operators. WebAnswer (1 of 3): It may be a slow, painful death but yes, 8,500 mg could kill you. P. Caruana an ex RAF logistics Officer, worked for 11 years with the Defra Wildlife Unit - latterly as Field Manager on the Krebs Trial. Its use should be confined to the bin, until the reservoir of infection has been removed. It is no more than a rehash of the ISGs final report. A network of individuals, independent and alternative media activists and organisations, offering grassroots, non-corporate, non-commercial coverage of important social and political issues. There will be no second chance. | Other Press He unscientifically claims that there is a lot of (undiagnosed) TB in the cattle population out there. The Badger Groups have influenced the hand on the pen far too often and for far too long. What were recognising now is that with paracetamol, as with all analgesics, there are some people for whom it can provide good pain relief and others in whom it has no effect at all, says Moore. WebResearchers at UCLA followed 42 participants over a three-week period, who took either a placebo, no treatment or paracetamol twice a day and answered a questionnaire about their feelings. More than 70% of the badgers (24,645) were killed as a result of controlled shooting. 3. Bourne told EFRAC that Defra can please themselves- whether or not they do. Generic name: paracetamol. Update your browser to view this website correctly. TB in cattle can be seriously anticipated. Further to the Written Answer by Lord Rooker on 28 January (WA 77), whether all badger populations are affected to a greater or lesser degree by bovine tuberculosis. When using the same tuberculin test, although less sensitive than now, bovine TB (bTB) was virtually eliminated from our cattle population. Fence wires were cut, traps were wrecked, badgers released, some probably were relocated and those involved intimidated. It has to occur at night using rifles with high powered lamps. Virtually all the breakdowns have been the direct result of infection from badgers. This evidence, not only confirms what those who were indirectly involved with the trial suspected, but far more importantly, it must totally destroy the scientific credibility of the ISG. Conrad shooting him is about as quick as it gets bud. Some of the extracts are below. There was a moribund dead badger with typical TB lesions found in their school playing area, which were not cultured on political instructions! All those with decades of practical experience who have had the audacity to criticise him, have been subjected to the same treatment. It has made me far more aware of their devious ways. A confirmed breakdown is now the same definition as a breakdown in the fourth report. The Krebs trial was originally designed to have a series of triplets proactive, reactive and survey (control) regions. We just need to be on the ball to try and stop badgers being killed. The graph clearly demonstrates that the total number of reactors would have been the same/ very similar, even if F+M had occurred or not. Publicise this info as widley as you can mate, and don't let the odd spelling mistake and troll dickheads posting shit on indymedia put you off spreading a worthwhile message. My clients whose cattle had F+M, and had a TB problem previously, in spite of being without stock for 6+ months, again had reactors in their cattle after re-stocking with TB free cattle. I heard the comment once that most badgers seen on roads are ones that have been shot illegally, or poisoned with Paracetamol, 1 tablet will kill a badger so I'm told. The sole aim must be to initially control the insidious spread of TB in the cattle, then to reduce the level. stomach pains, sickness, diarrhoea, and indigestion. Both outcomes are expected to increase M. bovis excretion. It is right that any decision to cull must be based on sound science. How much weight do we give the latest ISG report?
Unless these badgers too are culled then the source of TB remains. There are children in Mid Wales with classical bTB lesions. House of Lords written question answered on 3rd April 2008. For most people, its a placebo, says Dickson. Badgers have to present themselves as suitable targets to be shot. Veg Availability (split from Podilia's thread). accommodations. Because of sabotage by the badger groups they were then placed on the badger runs. Nearly all of my cattle clients are either under restriction or have been during the past 3 years. Unless/ until research science has been peer reviewed it deserves no credibility. If the challenge is small and the animal in good health, then it will over come the challenge and no lesions will develop. 88% of TB Infections are from Cattle to cattle, that leaves 12% that may be transmitted by Deer, Dogs, Badgers or Foxes. deciding what is M. bovis as an animal There is an unwritten rule among scientists that you dont rubbish others in public. Priorities!? I had a problem at one my out apiaries with badgers pushing over hives. Support. On average, M. bovis was detected in 15 per cent of badger carcasses ie around one in seven. Most methods of culling would involve many man hours to cull some badgers from a sett. Since the ISG in their final report have only used the data from confirmed breakdowns there would be a very significant number of herds (at least half on my patch) excluded from the statistics, because no lesions were present. It keeps them both funded and occupied. Disruption of badger communities Basically, it takes another 60+/- days before lesions develop. currently used accurately in the field, 04.11.2007 23:13 targeted method is gas, used in a way Of the 185 references in the final report, members of the ISG were co-authors of 26; another 58 were written by either their minions or Defra-(Bournes employer); only 52 had been peer reviewed (published in scientific journals).