The Ohio-based regional carrier, in which No.3 U.S. airline . 2008-2023 by The Aviation Herald, all rights reserved, reprint and republishing prohibited. On March 4, 2019, at 1143 eastern standard time, CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. The scene inside the airplane as it landed was one of chaos with people screaming and seats coming apart, Daigle said. Accident Number: ENG15IA024 Operator/Flight Number: United Express flight 4776 (operated by CommutAir) Aircraft and Registration: Bombardier DHC-8-202, N363PH . Commutair 4933 Roger Roger May 22, 2022 1 2 3 4 Next Roger Roger Paid to sleep, fly for fun May 22, 2022 #1 Couldn't find the original threads, but the docket is open NTSB Docket - Docket Management System data.ntsb.gov Minuteman "Dongola" May 22, 2022 #2 Oh yeah . The National Transportation Safety Board traveled to the scene of this accident. But ALPA is too scared theyll get hit by a DFR lawsuit. This was the second approach to runway 1 after having conducted a missed approach during the first approach. The flight was operating under the provisions of Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 121 as a regularly scheduled domestic passenger from Newark International Airport (KEWR), Newark, New Jersey, to KPQI. Reports provide details about the accident, analysis of the factual data, conclusions and the probable cause of the accident, and the related safety recommendations. The NTSB has released a preliminary report from an incident in which a CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. As I said, drama might as well have been her middle name. I bet the Captain's story is, its the planes fault, or the airports fault? CommutAir Flight 4933 (operating as United Express Flight 4933) was a domestic regional flight operating from Newark, New Jersey, to Presque Isle, Maine, in the United States. Most reports focus on a single accident, though the NTSB also produces reports . We climbed out on a ladder with the help of local firefighters, he said. PRESQUE ISLE, Maine (WABI) A United Express flight had a rough landing at Presque Isle's airport Monday leaving a pilot and four passengers with minor injuries, that according to city officials. Same man, was checking about everyday for the last month or so. They dont need to know the aircraft or the area or the SOP. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. The NTSB released their findings in July of 2022. Our lawyer told me that I could not say anything regarding this pilot other than "ineligible for rehire" or we could get sued for defamation(?). This information is not presented as the Flight Safety Foundation or the Aviation Safety Networks opinion as to the cause of the accident. The United flights for the Newark-Presque Isle service are operated by CommuteAir, which is partly owned by United. For information on a specific accident or incident, direct your inquiries to the National Transportation Safety Board at the following address: 490 L'Enfant Plaza East, SW. So the vaunted 121 safety system isn't exactly 100% effective? Light to moderate snow was reported by the NTSB. Instrument meteorological conditions (IMC) prevailed at the airfield, with low ceilings, fog, and blowing snow. Even when it's non-functional, they still write a report on it. Track CommutAir (C5) #4933 flight from Houston Bush Int'ctl to Lafayette Rgnl/Paul Fournet Fld. Date: June 5, 2015 . The pilot did not touch down on the first attempt. I appreciated the NTSBs preliminary report that was issued a few weeks after the crash, which was helpful in determining some of the key facts and allowed the airline and the airport to take immediate steps to increase safety. Part of the landing gear was torn away, and the nose cone was damaged. 34 votes, 28 comments. Simple Flying will be at the Farnborough Airshow next week. From June 2007 to October 2008, the aircraft was operating for Delta Connection before operating once again for Continental Express until October 2010 when it commenced operations for United Express. On March 4, 2019, a CommutAir flight suffered a runway excursion at Presque Isle International Airport. What should the crew have done to avoid the runway excursion and hard landing? Photos showed some of the landing gear stuck in one of the engines. But of course, you can also have all news mailed right onto your desktop, too. By subscribing to our service you can get the news mailed right onto your desktop as soon as The Aviation Herald reports them and get permission to publish the news/articles on your website or reprint them in your newspaper (but not to relicense/redistribute them to other venues), provided you print proper reference (avherald) or provide a proper link to our article on your online publication. [1]:1314, Flight 4933 departed from Newark Liberty International Airport around 10:04Eastern Standard Time(EST) (14:04UTC). [1]:1,78 At around 11:10EST, according to cockpit voice recorder (CVR) transcripts, the pilots were having trouble seeing the runway clearly and attempted to turn on the runway lights by cuing the radio microphone. [4], The aircraft was substantially damaged and was subsequently written off as a result. You must log in or register to reply here. Landing under that set of circumstances is a fools errand. The first officer then spotted a tower near the aircraft's position, and realizing that the aircraft was not aligned properly with the runway, he initiated a missed approach. If he cant tell were the runway is what other skills is he lacking???? By subscribing to our service you can get the news mailed right onto your desktop as soon as The Aviation Herald reports them and get permission to publish the news/articles on your website or reprint them in your newspaper (but not to relicense/redistribute them to other venues), provided you print proper reference (avherald) or provide a proper link to our article on your online publication. The accident was attributed to confirmation bias which prompted the flight crew to continue descending even though they could not see the runway due to snow; poor decision-making by the captain, fatigue of the first officer, and problems with the airport's instrument landing system were identified as contributing factors. On March 4, 2019, the Embraer EMB-145XR operating the flight touched down in a snow-covered grassy area to the right of the runway at Presque Isle International Airport, injuring three aircraft occupants and substantially damaging the aircraft. They have no business being in these cockpits. Did anyone else see that they got the shaker during the first missed, and set off the EGPWS? The airplane was substantially damaged. Nobody gets a pass for sex and skin color. She failed her EMB-145 checkride during her initial attempt and was later placed under "increased scrutiny" by CommutAir twice. The first officer stated "I'm staying on the flight director 'cause I don't see it yet", and the captain responded by repeating the phrase "stay in it", followed by "what the [expletive]" and the first officer saying "I dont know what Im seein'." The NTSB has released a preliminary report from an incident in which a CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. Based in Mexico City, Mexico. So that was a positive. The aircraft that arrived around 11:30 a.m. Monday also sustained unspecified damage and is remaining in place until investigators with the Federal Aviation Administration can assess the incident, Smith said. [1]:710, CommutAir and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) initially reported that the aircraft had touched down on the runway and then slid off, but the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) later clarified that the aircraft had missed the runway entirely. Let us know in the comments below. When the airplane was below 100 feet above ground level, the captain and the first officer expressed confusion stating they didnt know what they were seeing. CommutAir Flight 4933 (operating as United Express Flight 4933) was a domestic regional flight operating from Newark, New Jersey, to Presque Isle, Maine, in the United States. [1]:34, The NTSB commented on the captain's flight training record. The fact that the product that airlines seek can be bought and behavior tailored shows just how fucked some hiring practices are. I have started a talk page discussion about possibly revising the naming conventions to clearly address regional-brand flights. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. On Mar 5th 2019 the FAA reported: "Commutair Flight 4933 Embraer E45X landed in the grass area beside the runway due to unknown circumstances." The occurrence was rated an accident. Anyone got any suggestions? Lets investigate further. Published by on June 29, 2022. Although she had subsequently received her EMB-145 type rating and been upgraded to captain, the NTSB said that "her repeated training problems indicated an inadequate foundation for being a captain, which CommutAir did not effectively address. According to the report, the landing followed the pilot's second approach to runway 1 after having conducted a missed approach during the first approach. that one. This incident at the airport in Presque Isle was very disturbing and frightening for the passengers and crew who were involved,. Pretty concerning when your livelihood is tied to things like accidents. Going into MEX after midnight during thunderstorm season would have been a single pilot operation for me.I wonder how their CPP interview will go at U Was just released yesterday or day before that he completely missed the runway. So we fired him. Hello world! United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. The airplane was substantially damaged. Daigle said the plane then bounced four or five times before coming to a stop at a location far from the runway. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. PRESQUE ISLE, Maine A United Airlines flight from Newark to Presque Isle landed roughly on its second approach and then slid off the runway Monday as passengers screamed and some seat parts popped off, according to one occupant. Perhaps the craziest example of this was with King Air N13LY, which didn't record the accident flight but instead "During the flight to Fort Yukon, a radio broadcast from an ESPN radio affiliate was received and recorded on channel 1 of the CVR. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed. CommutAir Flight 4933 - Per WP: COMMONNAME, crashes of . An earlier approach had been aborted. Many were hired right after failures. [1]:5 Investigators found that the localizer antenna was surrounded by 25ft (0.611.52m) of snow; after confirming the reported localizer misalignment, the snow was cleared, and this caused correct localizer alignment to be restored. I did a bit of work in the training department at my regional. Wow, clearly that investigator was a sport's guy, cause I wouldn't have known what to make of it. On Mar 5th 2019 the FAA reported: "Commutair Flight 4933 Embraer E45X landed in the grass area beside the runway due to unknown circumstances." The occurrence was rated an accident. How difficult he is ? We determine the probable cause of the accidents we investigate and issue . and our It's interesting to see what gets released fairly quickly (such as the 909 accident) or takes forever. See this is my problem with the industry. The experience had humbled her, but then she upgraded and the drama began again. Why has literally no information been put out by the NTSB? He had not gone to sleep until around 1:00 EST the night before the accident due to flight and shuttle delays during the preceding workday, and he had only slept until 6:00 EST, about five hours, whereas he usually slept for about eight hours. His degree in journalism allows him to form beautifully crafted and insightful pieces. The agency said it will work closely with a federal government contractor . By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. The "issues" she speaks of was that she lied about hours and qualifications and it went beyond that but I can't remember the specifics. On March 4, 2019, CommutAir flight 4933, operating the service for United Airlines onboard an Embraer EMB145XR, registration N14171, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI) when it impacted terrain to the right of the runway. ALPA needs to be stop defending these pilots all the time. Left Republic due to LOFT issueswhat does that mean??? The runway had been plowed about ten minutes earlier. That final report has been out for months. ^^^ You nailed it. For more information, please see our Rather scattered individual, always leaving something in the airplane, always some drama.Then she came back to C5 after whatever happened and having upgraded in 2015, I flew with her when she was rehired. Of the 31 passengers and crew onboard, two passengers and 1 crewmember received minor injuries. United/CommutAir 4933 had departed from Newark, New Jersey, and was scheduled to land at Presque Isle at 10:49 a.m., but instead arrived about 45 minutes behind schedule. If you search the database for accidents in Presque Isle, Maine there is no mention of flight 4933. The flight was operating under the provisions of Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 121 as a regularly scheduled domestic passenger from Newark International Airport (KEWR), Newark, New Jersey, to KPQI. DropTank Well-Known Member May 22, 2022 #3 Roger Roger said: On the second attempt, the pilot landed off the runway between runway 1 and a parallel taxiway. Hopefully these things wont slip through the cracks anymore. Fleet type match . The Daigles are parents to a 4 1 /2 year old son. The plane left Newark, New Jersey and landed in Presque Isle around 11:30 Monday morning. Senator Susan Collins, the Ranking Member of the Transportation Appropriations Subcommittee, issued a statement on the release of the National Transportation Safety Boards (NTSB) final report on the missed runway incident at Presque Isle International Airport that occurred in March of 2019. The aircraft touched down at 11:29EST and came to rest in a snow-covered grassy area between the runway and a parallel taxiway. The NTSB's conclusion led to other questions namely whether the plane was too old and worn out. Fired from what airline ? CommutAir 4933 accident at PQI docket has been released to the public by the NTSB data.ntsb.gov This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast 68 44 44 comments Best EJ1134 7 mo. Ive always heard of LOFT as Lack Of Fucking Talent. What a douche. Carguychris (talk) 14:50, 1 August 2022 (UTC) Relisting. The NTSB report uses CommutAir in favor of United Express and through that, I note that nearly every article is mentioned through that convention (excluding Colgan Air Flight 3407 and a lengthy discussion about it took place if you see the archives. This was the second approach to runway 1 . The Daigles were still at the airport as of 2 p.m. after having been interviewed by emergency medical technicians and a United representative, Daigle said. Due to internet piracy we needed to close access to proxies. The airplane was substantially damaged. Couldnt find the original threads, but the docket is open. And for such a serious incident too, anything involving airlines usually takes 2 years. We smelled some burning, but nothing was on fire. If you search the database for accidents in Presque Isle, Maine there is no mention of flight 4933. The airplane was substantially damaged. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. March 17, 2020. Crew missed first approach bc something didnt look right when they went visual, then apparently just sorta yolod it on the second attempt and had some severe confirmation bias when looking at what they thought were the runway/lights. A United Express Embraer EMB-145XR similar to the one involved in the accident. On March 4, 2019, at 1143 eastern standard time, CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. Both pilots had missed entirely the runway, which was covered in about inch of snow, and only about 20% to 25% of it was visible. 3.5. It was a woman. After reaching the decision altitude, the captain said she had seen the runway in front of the aircraft. United Express flight 4933, operated by CommutAir, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI), Maine, USA, and impacted terrain to the right of the runway. The pilot did not touch down on the first attempt. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. Daigle said his wife hit her head during the incident and once the couple returns to Fort Kent she plans to be evaluated at Northern Maine Medical Center as a precaution. Safety Recommendation Report . The plane touched down then slid off the runway. commutair 4933 ntsb report. There were 28 passengers and three crew members on board. The ILS was screwy bc of snow, known issue in PQI. X File Under: <Fuel> Circulate To: General Manager Service Manager Parts Manager Service Advisors Technicians Body Shop Manager Fleet Repair X X X X SUBJECT: GROUP MODEL FUE 2017-2019MY Niro (DE HEV) NUMBER DATE 041 August 2019 TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN 2017. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) says a United Express regional jet didn't slide off a runway in Maine it missed the runway altogether. Senator Susan Collins, the Ranking Member of the Transportation Appropriations Subcommittee, issued a statement on the release of the National Transportation Safety Boards (NTSB) final report on the missed runway incident at Presque Isle International Airport that occurred in March of 2019. There are pilots making it into airline cockpits that have had training failures at other airlines and they have been able to hide them from future employers. The failure of CommutAir pilots who had observed an issue with the ILS prior to the accident and failed to report it to the company and air traffic control. Subscribe . robertsky (talk) 16:45, 8 August 2022 (UTC), | b1 = , | b2 = , | b3 = , | b4 = , | b5 = , Last edited on 16 September 2022, at 14:10, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:CommutAir_Flight_4933&oldid=1110621196, On 1 August 2022, it was proposed that this article be, This page was last edited on 16 September 2022, at 14:10. The plane will remain in place until the FAA arrives to assess the situation. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. The first officer was the pilot flying and the captain was the pilot monitoring. [1]:15, Around the time of the first approach, the Automatic Weather Observation System (AWOS) at the airport was reporting wind from 060 at 4kn (4.6mph; 7.4km/h) and visibility of 0.50mi (0.80km) in moderate snow and freezing fog. Airborne 03.03.23: Lear 23 Restoration, DarkAero Update, KBOS 'Close Call', Airborne-Flight Training 03.02.23: SAFE Alarmed, Clay Lacy Scholars, EAA LTF Efforts, Airborne 03.01.23: B-29 Doc Returns!, SAFE Sounds Alarm, PC-12 Breakup, 2007 - 2023 Web Development & Design by Pauli Systems, LC, NTSB: United Express E145 Missed Runway Entirely. I work in the 135 world and I was shocked more companies dont fly their applicants either in the sim or an aircraft. The NTSB has scrubbed any mention of this accident from their website. The flight was operated by CommutAir under the United Express brand. It sounds like visual illusions, problems with the localizer in the snow, and sticking to SOP seem to be some of the biggest factors here. The preliminary report on the accident of United Flight 4933 says that on March 4th at 11:43 am United Express landed between runway 1 and the taxiway in light to moderate snow at the Northern Maine Regional Airport in Presque Isle. 189k members in the flying community. "[1]:3, About 36 hours before the accident, a CommutAir flight crew had noticed the lateral localizer error and reported it to the Boston Air Route Traffic Control Center; however, FAA procedures dictated that before a navigational aid malfunction could be officially reported, a second independent report of the error was needed, which had not been received. Preliminary Accident and Incident Notices are also available in csv format (Microsoft Excel) for downloading and use in databases or spreadsheets. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in. The flight departed from Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR) with 28 passengers and three crew members. ). Rick Daigle said the scene inside the airplane as it landed was one of chaos with people screaming and seat parts popping off. In October 2020, FAA provided additional guidance for airport operators about snow removal around navigational aids. A review of NBA playoff history indicated that the only occurrence of an NBA playoff game 6 where Golden State was leading Memphis at halftime 58-49 was on May 15, 2015". A part of defending the profession means telling people they just arent cut out for flying paying passengers and to pick a new career. The report indicated that Golden State was leading at halftime 58-49. Rule 3: We are seeing many changes in the hiring/retention environment in the airlines in the USA. These training issues sound very much like the FO on Atlas 3591, very obscure training failures that are not painting the whole picture of the pilot involved. JavaScript is disabled. Do you think the history of the CA here will have any impact on contributing factors to future hiring practices? This accident occurred less than 2 weeks after the Atlas crash. And before anyone starts screaming discrimination and racism, go F off, I know pilots of every sex, color and creed that are outstanding aviators, AND I know white pilots that I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw them! The report determined the probable causes of this accident to be the flight crews decision, due to confirmation bias, to continue the descent below the decision altitude when the runway had not been positively identified. PRIA is worthless when airlines just let it slide with a good Cage Consulting spit shine. 28 pax/3 crew. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. They found that on the initial approach the crew executed a go-around as they weren't able to establish the runway, they saw snow and a structure with an antenna but no runway. The line is connecting ADS-B datapoints from FlightAware. Accident: Commutair E145 at Presque Isle. Edit: Failed simulator training. She was slightly ahead of me in seniority at C5, but then left for VX right before she could upgrade. The first officer and two of the 28 passengers sustained minor injuries. At least five days before the accident, six pilots who flew into PQI encountered issues with the ILS localizer. Washington, D.C. Today, U.S. By the time it exploded in midair 25 years later, it had . Unfortunately, it was implemented way too late to catch things like Atlas and this, but thats the nature of the beast: reactive and years behind at best. Oh well, its not like lives are at stake or anything. Contributing to the accident were: Additionally, the report states that FAA provides guidance to airports for developing a snow and ice control plan. The final straw was flying in IMC into a bay surrounded by mountains to eht to a local village (Alaska) the villagers complained loudly. Pilots I know firsthand, who had massive training and proficiency issues, are now working for major carrierssome in heavy jets, others in the NB left seat. Accident Reports are one of the main products of an NTSB investigation. Would not be surprised to see this Captain's name associated with another incident/accident. What do you think about this accident? She returned in May 2016. Preventing Windshield Arcing, Smoke, and Fire on Bombardier DHC-8 Airplanes . This isnt just a regional problem. You had me till you brought up sex and skin Color. Since Atlas 3591 and Colgan 3407 airlines are scrutinizing training failures a little closer. A pilot and two passengers received minor injuries. We give them kids stuff. I would prefer to add accidents in circumstances similar to this one: botched instrument approaches resulting in the aircraft touching down somewhere other than the intended landing runway. 6.2 Let CommutAir 4933; This report explains the accident involving Atlantic Southeast Airlines flight 529, an EMB-120RT airplane, which experienced the loss of a propeller blade and crashed during an emergency landing near Carrollton, Georgia, on August 21, 1995. . The subscription requires, that you sign up for an account first, then subscribe from your account. The airplanes instruments indicated that the aircraft was located to the left of the ILS course. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Presque Isle International Airport will be closed until further notice as representatives of the Federal Aviation Administration investigate, Smith said. Read recent air safety reports, incidents and news about Commutair. We use cookies to ensure you get the best experience on our site. Carguychris (talk) 19:14, 21 July 2022 (UTC), The result of the move request was: no consensus. He had accumulated a total of 4,909 flight hours, 470 on the Embraer EMB-145XR. It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. These are the issues PRD is trying to solve. The aircraft appears intact enough to preserve the FDR and CVR. Adopted: March . This community is for discussion among pilots, students, instructors and aviation ago I did a bit of work in the training department at my regional. Occhione v. PSA Airlines, Inc., Case No. Rick and Cassie Daigle, owners of Too Far North Fitness in Fort Kent, were on the flight returning from Columbus, Ohio, where Cassie Daigle was competing in a kettlebell event at the Arnold Sports Expo.